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Take Abortion Off the Tables for the Primaries (2.00 / 1)

A contested primary could be a very good thing, even allowing name recognition for future candidacies for the losers.

But a bitter debate over abortion would probably be a bad thing.  There is a non-trivial chance that Casey will win the nomination, but an abortion-centric primary will probably create an anybody-but-Casey faction among Pennsylvania Democrats who might stupidly stay home if he wins the nomination.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both
by Anthony de Jesus on Mon Feb 28, 2005 at 08:34:52 PM EST

Abortion doesn't play much in PA (2.00 / 1)

The main groups in PA are:

  1. Guns
  2. Labor
  3. Elderly
  4. Families with military

The abortion issues exists for only one reason: way back in 1992, the Clintons did a really dumb thing by excluding Bob Casey from any role in the convention.

Since then, there has been a largely apologist movement that has followed Casey 2 and tagged him hard with the anti-abortion label.

Interesting, given he made his own name as being tough on fraud.  Go figure.

Such is the downside of name recognition.

by jcjcjc on Tue Mar 01, 2005 at 01:41:48 AM EST
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Re: Abortion doesn't play much in PA (none / 0)

I'm curious, what part of PA do you live in that makes you jump to that conclusion?  Have you ever done any voter contact in PA?
by noheadspin on Tue Mar 01, 2005 at 04:03:35 AM EST
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Abortion really isn't that important of an issue in Pennsylvania atleast in the West where I live in Pennsylvania there are probably more Democrats against elective abortions than Republicans.  Issues will be social security, trade, education, health care, and a couple of social issues throw in here or there.
Councilman Bill Painter
by Painter2004 on Tue Mar 01, 2005 at 02:43:44 PM EST
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I've lived and worked anywhere from Pittsburgh to State College and points between.  

"Voter contact" work?  We're not all political operatives.  The fact that phrase exists at all bothers me.

I do one better.  I live among a load of Republicans.  One of my better friends from college was a genuine Clinton-hater in his mid-50s.  I used to have a neighbor who the IRS refused to serve a warrant because they were afraid of what might happen if they tried.

I've spent tireless hours trying to explain to most of my friends and neighors exactly why and how America needs to get thing right.

And, frankly, I've had a lot of them spend years trying to explain to me why the Democrats are a bunch of sissies who can't talk straight.

It's actually a nice political environment to live in, ecause folks are very open to discussion.

by jcjcjc on Tue Mar 01, 2005 at 04:05:21 PM EST
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Re: Abortion doesn't play much in PA (none / 0)

Well, how about helping to Draft Anthony Zinni for US Senate?

He would help put #s 1 and 2 in the bag and would probablly help with 3. I haven't found any quotes from him on labor, but my guess, given his stances on a number of other issues, would be a balance between labor and business groups.

I also think that his gruff and tough personality would help with the male vote. And his military credentials would help, I would hope, with married women.

Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Tue Mar 01, 2005 at 09:04:04 AM EST
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We're Democrats we're not going to run a Republican against Santorum think for a minute.
Councilman Bill Painter
by Painter2004 on Tue Mar 01, 2005 at 02:28:53 PM EST
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That's what I'm askign people to do- THINK.

Think about what it means to be a Democrat, what issues we stand for and what issues the Repthugs stand for.

Think about why people choose to vote Republican and not Democrat. And figure out if those reasons can be changed.

Think about what we need to do to win back a majority in this country.

And think about what we need to do to save our country from the nuts that are runnign it right now.

Whenever you see that R next to someone's name and automatically dismiss them, you're not thinking, at least not rationally, you're relying on a heuristic. And while this heurstic can be helpful at times, at otehr times it can make you act in ways that are against your own interests. In the case of Anthony Zinni, Wes Clark, and all the other people who vote primarilly on Security issues, that heuristic is misleading both you and them. These people vote Republican because they see the Dems as weak-kneed spoiled brats, who can't handle the often horrid task of protecting our nation, and we reject them because they vote Republican.

But there is no reason to believe that the coupling of Republicans and National Security will remain forever, and we can expect more folks like Clark to come back to the Democratic Party, espescially if we move aggressively to recruit them.

Think about whether you'd like to welcome these folks into our big tent, and even have them run for office as people who convey strength and character, or whether you'd prefer to stick with candidates who make us "feel good" or who agree with 100% of you stances.

Yes, choosing Zinni to run for office requires people to abandon many of their heuristics and think, but if we can't seperate security voters from the Republican Party, then I think that we are doomed as a party, at least nationaly.

And I didn't just come up with this idea over night. I put a lot of thought and research into it. So if you want to see why I think that Zinni would be the perfect candidate, then check out the piece I wrote over at Young Philly Politics.

Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Tue Mar 01, 2005 at 03:17:22 PM EST
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For example, here's Wes Clark on why he voted Republican in the past and why he is now a Democrat:
In the United States Army you never have a party, at least most of us didn't as far as I know. You just voted for people that were strong for national security. When Bill Clinton ran in '92 and I listened to him and I had of course known of his record from Arkansas, I found him extraordinarily inspirational and I voted Democratic. I later ended up working around the White House when I was at the Pentagon. I was back and forth across the Potomac for various staff meetings and so forth. And I was impressed with the people in the Clinton administration . . . . That's when I learned that the old myths were wrong. That it wasn't that the Republicans were tough and strong on defense and the Democrats were soft and blame America. It was really that the Republican Party had become shrill and partisan and isolationist and the Democrats were working mightily to craft a new strategy to take us into a new world. And that's where I found myself.

Does this sound like a right-winger to you?

Is the perception of Dems as "soft" and "blame America" something you feel alright with? Is it somethign you feel that we should fight? How do you think we should deal with this?

Future Majority / Young Philly Politics
by Alex Urevick on Tue Mar 01, 2005 at 03:25:38 PM EST
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